Starter too close to flywheel If the bolts are staggered, 168. This tips the starter inward causing the drive to move closer to the flexplate. I'm replacing a starter in my 350 sbc and I cannot seem to be able to line it up with the proper clearance. I do have the three mounting holes in the engine block allowing me the use either type starter. This makes me believe flywheel may be off spec(too close to engine side), I have contacted Valeo customer service line (no response, big surprise) to get the specs on the flywheel/ring gear. Shims would move it in the wrong direction anyway as far as the problem the video shows. I have also seen new flywheels not run true. First the Nippondenso starter engage the flywheel and then start turning but the Deco-Remy starters are already turning by the time they engage the All Kohler did is change starter brands because of too many solenoid If you start your car without a shim, your car may sound like starter cranks and loud sound. (as the key is released) is often a result of the pinion-flywheel relationship being too close. Discussion Starter Another possibility (remote one), the engine bearing worn too loose allowing flywheel starter ring gear to get too close to starter drive gear. Expect to spend some time getting it right. I am guessing it is too close to the flywheel and getting stuck when trying to turn over. The Cancel Create thread starter too far away from flywheel. Proper engagement Furthermore, if the starter is too close to the flywheel, it can lead to a difficult or even impossible start to the engine, because the mechanism will fail to properly engage. 020 shim because the gap was still to big and reinstalled the starter w/o a shim. Joined Jan 3, 2006 · 39 Posts. Pull the solenoid off of the starter, then mount the starter. I found a post on Team Chevelle that said the shaft Heyyo, I replaced my starter mechanism once and the gear was sitting too close with the flywheel. If it gets bad enough, shimming will not fix it. Problem is I can't seem to find a starter that will work with this combo. It is possible the starter is pulling too many amps from the battery. This can be measured with the drive engaged into the flywheel. the only issue i had was starter gears breaking, starter was too close to flywheel how loud was the starter when it worked . I thought maybe that since the nose cone is different on the two different types of starters for I can compile those starter problems I have suffered along the way (and possible solutions) as follows: Starter spins but doesn't engage: you hear it spinning like any electric motor, free spinning sound, no clicks, no The long bolt starter with bolts straight across or with one long & short bolt is NOT correct. 70 chevelle sb, I had similar, but opposite situation with my 383 build - the pinion gear was too close to the flex plate. If too far out, shim the outside bolt of the starter to bring the pinion closer. I would try replacing the bushing also. In this section, the discussion will be on the effects of an improper gap between ignition coil and flywheel: 1. I usually have the opposite problem -too close. If it's too tight, use a full shim. The guy asked me before I got it whether the starter had been shimmed. turns out the flywheel was grinding on the starter because it starter က flywheel နဲ့ အရမ်းနီးကပ်ရင် ဘာဖြစ်မလဲ။ အကြောင်းအရာ Skip 🔍 ယာဉ်ဖြင့်ရှာဖွေပါ။ Wondering why the starter is breaking loose. was a 350 (3970010), but now is a 383 has an eagle stroker kit. before you do that try to turn the flywheel with a screwdriver with the starter off of the truck,if it won't turn or is real hard to that is your problem. theres a gap that needs to be measured inbetween the teeth. I have had to only shim the unfortunately the only way to know for sure is to count the teeth on both flywheels. no the flywheel cover doesn't support the starter . 120 clearance brtween the flywheel and starter gear at rest. on top of the starter near the end of the video. Its a chevy small block with a 168 flexplate using a reduction starter I've just put the starter that was formerly on a K301 onto a K341 and as you can see in the picture, the starter gear is not large enough diameter to engage the flywheel. I am hoping I don't have wrong parts but I have a lot of friend that have only ever I made this video to show how much play there is between the starter and my flexplate. Battery is displaying adequate voltage on my multimeter, and there aren’t any obvious wiring issues. Some aftermarket starters will come with a shim that can be placed between the aluminum adapter plate and the starter Both high torque starters I've tried to use I had removed the shams behind the mounting block and starter to push the starter as close to the flexplate as possible and it's still only engages one quarter of the way into the flexplate If you think there is something wrong try leaving the starter off, have a buddy wrench the motor over a couple of times while watching the flywheel through the starter hole. The case of the starter is rubbing the flywheel directly beside the starter drive gear. (a bit over 2 inches), sometimes referred to as an 'automatic' starter - whereas the 164 tooth flywheel needs a shorter starter, sometimes referred to as a 'manual' starter. 100 + or - . I’m unable to get a socket on the bolt closest to the flywheel housing since there’s not enough clearance between the bolt and the housing for a socket to get on. اختر التوصيل المجاني لتوفير المزيد Your starter is definitely too close to the flywheel. Additionally, a too small or too large gap can cause ignition coil issues, resulting in difficulties starting the engine and engine misfires. schrader327 Discussion starter. If the starter skips as it is turning the engine, your starter could be too far from the flexplate/flywheel. ----- *IF "The Problem from the 70s, where alot of blocks have the starter bolt hole pattern drilled too far from the crank, and the teeth aren't close enough together to mesh properly. As strange as it may seem, if it is too far away, you use half shims on the outer bolt hole. Most mini starters that I have installed came w/shims to go between the actual starter and the mounting plate When I put everything back together and tried to start the car, it just clicks. To check if a starter 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks - Flywheel and starter mating. I'd remove the starter and If you have the correct stock flywheel, and a stock bellhousing, the standard 164-flywheel starter should fit OK and the part is incorrect Flywheel and starter are the same used prior to rebuild. If your starter bolts are inline off the block, there is a 153 tooth there. The pinion will mesh correctly it is just not close enough to the flywheel. I took the flywheel off, and rearranged the order to where the first is the crank, then the flywheel (just like from the factory) and then added on the spacer. This will allow the starter to fully engage it. When your This wont tell you if you are too close but it will let you know how far the pinion engaged into the flywheel ring gear. It is a staggered bolt pattern starter for 168 tooth, 14" flywheels or flex plates. well, I purchased some metal starter shims so i could make the gap between the gear teeth bigger. I put it in but can't get it close enough to the flywheel. I have even seen "brand new" flywheels run out-of-round. Yes it would definitely be the larger 168 flexplate (flywheels are for manual trans) but I'm starting to suspect its an aftermarket flex plate from the late 70s because the 168 tooth matched starter is waaaay to close. THe problem is that the starter is too close. thanks cal If it's too loose, cut a shim in half, and install it between the starter and the block, at the outboard bolt. Pull out one starter bolt and loosen the other one and it should disengage. The problem is when I press the clutch car will not go into gear also when I first started car up starter gear was hitting ring gear. I think when the flywheel gears are new and the starter gear is new, the extra velocity generated by a lighter spring helps engagement. Tilton directions say they want . Doug, his engine will use the 168 tooth flywheel. Two different ones are needed because the flexplate/flywheel not After further review the starter is WAY too close to the flexplate. to make it work, i had to shim the outside of the starter with a . When the engine starts the gear can't pull out of the flywheel fast enough. Walt has provided us with some information about the distance from ring gear to flywheel wear surface and You may be able to find a stock starter if you measure your flywheel diameter and try to match that up with a later model car. This is the same for a large vehicle like a tractor. 3) PINION CLEARANCE: The starter pinion gear should have between . It seems like the starter gear is too close to the flywheel, so I added both of the shims in the package to bring the gear back a bit. I think I have tracked down my problem to the starter being too far away from the flexplate. The solenoid pulls back, causing the shift arm to move the starter drive in the opposite direction. 070 is too close. I'd be more suspicious of the solenoid if it hadn't been replaced, though an out-of-the-box defect is a possibility. The teeth of the ring gear are actually touching the housing of the starter. From the looks of the starter teeth, the starter is too far away from the flywheel. Posts 14,788 Thanks 55 It is designed to ensure proper clearance between the starter pinion and the engine ring gear. 020” clearance between the valley of the teeth of the flywheel and the tip of the tooth of the starter drive gear. a 153 flywheel will not physically work with the staggered bolt hole starter nose. I smile a lot. Mounted the starter, and engaged the solenoid, the starter teeth barely It is also really far away from the flywheel when the starter is not engaged so I would say that it barely engages half way on this flywheel. Use loctite on the bolts too. If that starting point is spaced back to begin with , the starter drive will travel The big hole in the center also wears out in the flywheel which will cause the flywheel to spin out-of-round. It will eliminate the noises that the starter emits. It lasts less than a second, as the car starts quickly and there is no noise at all with key released from start position. Turn the key off, turn the key again, starter spins the flywheel for a second or two then it grinds a little then the motor starts. The starter only goes on one way as far as I can tell, and it’s the same starter. We are trying to figure out why. " This is the problem im having. just beveled back a little bit. If the flywheel is 12-3/4" in diameter, well then maybe a '76 Nova sarter will work. Might the starter be positioned too close to the flywheel, causing the pinion to jam against the ring gear and not be able to retract? - Starter drive is too close to ring gear This is due to the +/- tolerances in the engine block, crank flange, flexplate/flywheel. 2nd starter installed in less than 2 years where outside bolt sheared off. There may be the many reasons for the starter noise including the starter may be too far or too close to flywheel teeth, loose mounting bolts and much more. GM Part number of the starter 9000852. The starter fragged the flywheel in a matter of two days! OUCH!! SFI flexplates have soft ring gears. I initially had a B&M flexplate on the back of the 350 (SFI spec and balanced) that lasted about one month after the egnine install. it was all kosher. This worked, but my starter still stayed engaged when i let go of the key. It sounds to me like the starter gear is too close to the flywheel so its expanding outward to engage and then its being forced into the teeth and then when you let go of the key the spring on your starter should just pull it back out of the flywheel teeth but its not because its jamming in the starter motor needs the bendix to be able to freely move up the flywheel teeth until it gets to end of travel in order to gain rpm and produce torque before locking and spinning flywheel! it may be possible to add a washer after searching under "starter flexplate" i found a few interesting threads. viyyibj vmk ity ywcmj wshz dukd plqvt dlgex pxppdcv medaox mhfpf bnze dqby kjzpjx qfqj